Need help with escape artist kitty...

topic posted Thu, July 2, 2009 - 8:18 PM by  D^3
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I have two cats that who adopted our family. Both were once feral but domesticated quite well. The oldest is more mild tempered while the younger is more of a trouble maker. Both are fixed males.

Since their adoption, we have kept them indoors. It is our belief that indoor cats live longer and (generally) more happier lives. We do what we can to stimulate them and their bowls are rarely ever empty of food and water. They have toys and playthings and even each other to keep themselves occupied. We have lived in small places like a studio apartment to a 3BR/two story house.

Problem is that the youngest one seems to get bad wanderlust and tries to escape often. His most recent adventure: tearing a hole in the window screen and leaping through at 5am. In the process, he lost his collar. Every chance this kitty gets, he looks for an escape route. We live in San Diego where the weather is nice most of the time and don't have an air conditioner. So opening windows is the only way to get fresh air into the house. When we go to sleep, we have to shut the windows and even during the day only leave them cracked open slightly. This is aggravating because with the windows closed it does get stuffy.

What can we do to keep the little one's wanderlust down? We've tried scolding him, only for him to make another escape attempt while our backs are turned. We've gotten to the point where we are considering letting them roam free, but we only want to do this when they get "the ID chip" implanted and they have ID tags. This won't occur until next payday, though.
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  • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

    Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:37 PM
    Please don't let them go out! You are right--indoor kitties live longer. Maybe there's some kind of grillwork you could put in your windows to protect the screens. I don't mean a permanent fixture like prison bars or anything, but maybe something portable and expandable, sort of along the lines of a baby gate? It wouldn't have to be an actual ugly baby gate, maybe you could get ahold of some fairly tight cast iron fencing, second hand, and have someone who's handy cut sections of it to fit in your windows. Put two sections together, broadly overlapping, and have them squeeze in with an added spring action or something. Squeeze them in to go in the window casing, then release them to spring back full size and fit snugly. Have one made for one window in each room. In other windows, put window fans--you know, the kind that have panels that custom-fit them to your windows. That way, you have somecross ventilation and you keep your cats safe.
    • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 1:04 AM
      I also agree whole-heartedly. I used to think that cats should be allowed free roam..... until my oldest boy was hit by a car and nearly died. He was also a master. At one point, I had a place with a screen porch and he would climb up the wooden side and flip the eye-hook latch to get out. Eventually, I moved into a new place. I don't know if it was him getting older or if the arrangement was more difficult, but he never went outside again, unless he was on a harness and constrained to the yard. The other one had a tough time accepting the harness, but he knew it was the only way out and he even liked to walk around the block on a leash. Trust me, people are quite amused to see a person and a cat walking around the neighborhood. Near the end, Dito was so happy just to stretch out in the sun and nibble on grass. But I still kept a close watch in case some other animal or person would get to them. My yard has hedges, but not any fencing.

      I can tell my youngest wants out, but he would never allow me to get the harness on him.

      Oh, and I avoid neck collars because of the risk of getting caught on something and choking. I have found the smaller dog harnesses work better. That way, there is a cord at the neck, but also the belly, behind the front paws, so even if it did get hung up in some way, it would not squeeze the neck and possibly kill them.

      None of my cats have ever tried to actually get through the screens. My porch has a half-wall of concrete and the top half is screened.

      There are only a few suggestions that come to mind....

      - Do your windows also open from the top? Mine slide up from the bottom or down from the top. That would allow you to get the air and make it harder for him to get out. The gates or cast-iron or whatever sound good, but expensive and lots of work, plus if you rent, that could be a problem.

      - Do you have cat grass that he can eat? It could just be that he wants some fresh greens. I have a big planter with cat grass and catnip and my boy loves it.

      - Do you think you could get him on a harness and let him get some supervised outside time? Then, he can get some air and sunshine and munch on the grass without the risks of being allowed to roam free.

      - Lastly, you might look into an outdoor enclosure to put in your yard if you have one. I've found a few online, mostly do-it-yourself kits or even just designs. But I never got around to it and now my two oldest have passed and the youngest has not been a problem. He absolutely loves sitting on the porch to watch the birds and everything, but he is safe.

      I hope this gives you some ideas. It really scares me to think of a cat running free with all the risks of traffic, disease, psycho people that could torture animals. I very firmly believe in keeping them inside and safe.

      And it is true that indoor cats live longer than outside. I believe the average is 7 years for outside and 14 for inside. You can look up the facts or ask your vet, but really it is that serious. My two older boys lived to 21 and 19 respectively, which is quite amazing. As much as it hurt to lose them, I am happy that they both had a very long and happy life.


      • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

        Sun, July 5, 2009 - 5:40 PM
        Is that only for cats that live in the city? (life span)

        We live outside a town (a couple of km outside it) and have about 3.5 acres. Aggie was 18 years old when she died and she would roam in and out of the house. Though I will stress she would be inside of a night time so as to protect the wildlife.

        We've been doing the same with Pandora. As soon as it gets dark, she has to come in.

        So, I'm wondering if those statistics are for people in cities where there are cars etc. Do you know what it is about an indoor cat that makes
        them live longer?
        • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

          Sun, July 5, 2009 - 11:07 PM
          They don't get hit by cars, but that's not all. They don't get ripped apart and eaten alive by coyotes, either, or vicious dogs. They don't lick up lethal puddles of antifreeze. They don't groom themselves after walking through lawns and gardens treated with poisonous chemicals. They have fewer parasites, both internal and external. They don't get exposed to other cats with feline leukemia and FIV, for which vaccinations are not 100% protection. They don't get tortured to death by demented thug kids, or poisoned or shot by angry neighbors who prefer birds to cats. They don't fall into swimming pools and drown or get accidentally shut without water or food in a neighbor's toolshed just before the neighbor goes on a two week vacation. They don't climb up under the hood of a car where it's nice and warm and get killed by the fan or fan belt when the car starts up. Not every outdoor cat experiences any of these encounters, obviously, and country roads have fewer cars than city streets, and some outdoor cats do live to be 18. But if your precious kitty is killed by a car or eaten alive by a coyote, or falls victim to any of the other mishaps that do occur to hundreds, maybe thousands of cats every year, how long *some* outdoor cats live won't mean a thing in the world. Think how awful it would be to hear the squeal of brakes, and run out to find your pet dead on the roadside. I have a friend whose cat was taken by a coyote--she heard it happen, the screams were heart-stopping. Why would you risk it?
          • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

            Mon, July 6, 2009 - 10:40 AM
            I'm with you on that Briar. When I was a child, I got my first lesson in death watching my very first kitty, "Ginger" try to walk across the street to the open field. It was a paved two-way street that was rather open. She made it half way across the street and realized a car was coming. She then dodged back only to get hit by a truck coming the opposite direction. I was in the garage working on my bike and witnessed the whole thing.

            I don't want to have my boys experience that. Not to mention that they are both black cats and people can be cruel to such animals. Our oldest, Armand looks like he's lived a rather tough life as a feral so his urge to go outside isn't nearly as strong. He's content to sit in the window. We do plant greens for them about once a month and I've tried the harness for the baby, Trinity. But he doesn't want anything doing with the harness. We take them outside holding them and it works sometimes. Sometimes, it just makes them want to go out more. Then we have deal with kitties trying to zip out of our door while we're coming or going.
            • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

              Mon, July 6, 2009 - 5:36 PM
              Even when I was younger and our family let all of the house outside, we kept them indoors on Halloween because of the habits of bad people. Not that people like that are limited to certain days, but I guess my mother was superstitious.

              Now that I think of it, I just realized a rather repressed memory of seeing one of our cats hung from a tree by the river. My memory is very vague, but I do remember being somewhat reassured when my brother beat the crap out of the kid who supposedly doing it. I wonder what ever became of him. I've heard it said that kids who torture animals often turn to human abuse and even serial murder as adults.

              Sorry, I don't mean to be gruesome, but I would feel better if everyone kept their kitties safe and secure from danger, whether human, animal, mechanical or disease.
              • Re: Need help with escape artist kitty...

                Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:36 PM
                I'm seriously on my wits end now. Trinity is now trying to "eat his way through" the screen on my windows. It's been rather warm lately, too and no AC makes shutting the windows completely not an option. As much as I'm against it, I'm finding myself towards just getting our little adventurer prepped for semi-outdoor life.
                • Re: The inevitable has happened... HE'S GONE!!!!

                  Thu, August 6, 2009 - 12:02 PM
                  I worked late last night. Burning the midnight oil and forgot to close the window above my desk. I went to sleep and my kitty was with me.

                  As my wife woke up for work and went to feed the kitties, she noticed that the younger wasn't around. He's usually first in line for food, but not this morning. She goes to my desk and notices a huge hole in the screen.

                  The kitty got out.

                  I've been searching for hours and found nothing. I'm a wreck and even canceled a trip to Vegas.
                  I'm just hanging out at home right now with the door open, hoping and praying that he wanders home. I put and ad on Craigslist, and a couple other websites. I've got my Facebook squad reposting. I made a flier, but ran out printer ink. So I'm just gonna print it at Kinko's where I'll have a few dozen copies made.

                  If you're in San Diego, here's the Craigslist Ad:
                  sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/la...82.html

                  Please repost to get him home.
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                    Re: And now he's back...

                    Thu, September 3, 2009 - 2:16 PM
                    Well, he made it back (he's actually been home for two weeks now, I'm just late in posting)....
                    He's definitely not the same kitty he was and is now requiring much medical attention.
                    • Re: And now he's back...

                      Thu, September 3, 2009 - 9:56 PM
                      omg.. how scary. I'm happy he's back and he can get the attention he needs. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
                      • If it's not one... it's the other now.

                        Tue, September 8, 2009 - 4:00 PM
                        Trinity is back and doing well... But now his housemate, Armand won't leave me alone. He is screaming constantly to get out and had two breakouts just yesterday. Luckily, he stays close.
                        • Re: If it's not one... it's the other now.

                          Thu, September 10, 2009 - 7:03 PM
                          Ahhh. Our cats are strictly indoors, I would SO be worried if they even had the chance to get out. I did see these little harness things the other day at the store. I love that name Armand.. is that as in the vampire Armand?
                          • Re: If it's not one... it's the other now.

                            Wed, September 16, 2009 - 10:53 AM
                            Our neighbor actually walks their cat with a harness. We have a courtyard that is shared and they put the harness on the cat and then "anchor" him with a piece of wood. They let him run free (but supervised) in the courtyard and the kitty drags the "anchor" around. It keeps him from going anywhere too fast (as in darting off). Such a clever idea.

                            Yes, Armand is actually named after the vampire. He's an all black cat with a white "tie and cumber-bun" patch. He's very debonair and despite being a big cat, he's a lover.
                            • Re: If it's not one... it's the other now.

                              Thu, October 15, 2009 - 10:29 AM
                              Hi!
                              I'm going through the exact same issue that you are going through right now with one of my cats. He has completely trashed the screen on my bedroom window, which faces a small canyon behind my apartment. I don't know what it is that he sees back there, probably birds or the "neighborhood cat" that roams around, but in the past month he has managed to escape 6 times!!! He actually just escaped again last night. He always comes back once he gets hungry so I'm pretty confident that he'll be waiting for me at the door when I get home from work. I also live in San Diego and usually keep the windows open for ventilation so I must find a remedy for him to stop ruining window screens! I called Home Depot and they have these screens they refer to as "pet resistant" and they promise it is virtually impossible for cats and dogs to claw their ways through these screens. You can also get "screen locks" which you clip to the metal frame outside the window to make it hard for them to just push the screen out. The only catch with these pet resistant screens is that they only sell them in kits and you have to make it yourself, but in the long run it's very worth it. Also, if you have the regular plastic blinds, these little trixters know it's very easy to go through them so try buying the wood ones. My bedroom is actually the only bedroom where I don't have wooden blinds and it so happens that it's the only window he escapes through... Wooden blinds are cheaper at Lowes then any other place and you can often find them on sale. I'm definitely going over there to buy these this weekend and the special screens. Good luck!

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